Child custody
When I went to the pre-session meeting of the Women’s Roundtable, I was shocked to learn that in divorce cases men who beat their wives are sometimes awarded custody on the grounds that their wife alienated their children’s affection by telling them the truth about the divorce. That is, when a mother tells her child, “I’m leaving Daddy because he beats me,” Daddy’s lawyer is arguing that Mommy has alienated the child’s affection by telling the truth. AND SOME JUDGES ARE BUYING THIS.
Really, these men need to be in jail. The idea that not only are they not going to jail, but are winning custody disputes is a sign of how far we have to go.
This needs to change.
THINK A DOMESTIC BATTERER COULD NEVER GAIN CUSTODY OF A CHILD? THINK AGAIN.
” ‘BREAKING THE SILENCE: CHILDREN’S STORIES’ is a powerful new PBS documentary that chronicles the impact of domestic violence on children and the recurring failings of family courts across the country to protect them from their abusers. In stark and poignant interviews, children and battered mothers tell their stories of abuse at home and continued trauma within the courts.” (Co-produced by Tatge/Lasseur Productions and Connecticut Public Television, “Breaking the Silence: Children’s Stories” is sponsored by the Mary Kay Ash Charitable Foundation.)
Virginia judges say a father may hurt the mother of his child, by abusing her, without hurting his chances of gaining custody. Judges surveyed for Influences on Judges’ Decisions in Child Custody Disputes in the Commonwealth of Virginia, a 2001 Virginia Supreme Court study, also reveal that children over five go to fathers more than they go to mothers when cases go to court. Virginia judges believe mothers “appear to be having more problems.” Pages 4, 6, 7, 20, 21, 23, 24, 29, 30, 38, 39, 40, 41, 53, 55, and 57 are especially relevant to the current trend of giving children to fathers who are abusive, violent, and dangerously controlling men; those pages are excerpted and contained in my compendium “The High Price of Conscience-free Justice.” Or you may look for the study on the website.
The compendium is free and is accompanied by a DVD of “Breaking the Silence” (BTS). I reproduce the DVD for mass distribution because the program manager at WETA, my local public television station, is refusing to air BTS and this despite a call they received from my congressman, Jim Moran. Twice in 2006, once in May, again in July, I asked Congressman Moran to make a phone call to WETA on our behalf, the behalf of good parents who are losing or have lost custody of their children to abusive and violent ex-partners: “I don’t know what I need to do to urge WETA to put this on TV,” I told him. I pointed to the promotional flyer, the cover of my compendium, showing ‘THINK A DOMESTIC BATTERER COULD NEVER GAIN CUSTODY OF A CHILD? THINK AGAIN,’ the words framing the sad face of a young boy. I left the congressman a copy of my compendium. He had been attentive. He had followed through.
At least 44 states have aired BTS since its October 2005 release; Virginia is not one of them.
Thank you Alice for introducing ‘CHILD CUSTODY.’ I am approachable, very aware and eager to share what I know on this issue. I am full of information. (Some will say I am full of @#!&.)
Look for my contact information in the comments under the recently posted ‘LIVIN’ ON THE FAULT LINE.’
I have mentioned there my attendence at the September and December JUDICIAL INTERVIEWS. All Courts of Justice committee members who also attended received from me a special information packet (yes, containing the DVD) — a miniaturized version of the compendium. And I put a copy of the compendium into the hands of newly appointed Fairfax County Juvenile & Domestic Relations District Court judge Glenn Clayton as he walked out the door.
Oh, and Alice, those men are not “sometimes awarded custody.” Those men are granted sole or joint custody in 70% of cases that go to trial.
Veronique Wyvell, RN
Member, Fairfax County Network Against Family Abuse
Founder, Mothers Against Unjust Law
7831 Enola Street, #TA7
McLean, Virginia 22102
703.748.0072
VWyvell@patriot.net
MAUL (Mothers Against Unjust Law) Goals:
Rebuttable PRESUMPTIONS Against Custody for Batterers
PPAs (Parenting Plan Agreements) before Litigation
Moratorium on CCEs (Child Custody Evaluations)
MINIMUM Parent-Time Schedules (UTAH Code)
JURY Trials (in Domestic Relations Cases)
PROTECTIVE Parent Reform Acts
PCs (Parenting Coordinators)
DIGITAL Courtroom Records
TERM LIMITS for Judges
This is a far more complex issue than it has been portrayed in this post. I have been involved in dozens of child custody cases and never seen a situation where, upon the mother telling the children of the reason behind the divorce, the father gets custody of the kids. I think, too, that distinctions have to be drawn between situations where there has been some abusive or physically reactive behavior as opposed to a pattern of battering. Over the years I have been approached by women who have asked me point-blank how much physical contact is necessary to prove domestic assault. I have had to dissuade, and occasionally withdraw as counsel for, women who have set out to deliberately provoke an assault so as to gain a foothold in a contested divorce case. I have represented men who have called me and told me of deliberately provocative behavior on the part of their wives who are seeking custody. In some cases the behavior is so extreme I have advised the husband to have a camera or recording device or witness with him for all interactions with the mother. I have been the guardian ad litem for children whose parents are so focused on demonizing each other that their mental health is threatened.
It takes very little to sustain a conviction for domestic assault. If during an argument one party shoves the other, that’s assault. If one party pokes the other in the chest to make a point, that’s assault. If one grabs the other’s arm during a heated discussion, that’s assault.
I do recall an instance where I represented the battered woman and her husband ended up getting custody in spite of my well-documented and uncontradicted allegations of physical abuse by the father. The judge did indeed find that the mother had problems affecting the prospect of stability for the children. There was no evidence that the father had ever laid hands on the kids, and subsequent to his conviction he had been through counseling, given up drinking, stabilized his employment, and established a home for the kids. On the other hand my client was a stripper who dabbled in drugs and snuck around with other men. The two battering episodes had been related to her returning home late from work with evidence of having been with another man. Looking at her situation objectively I have to say she did show poor judgment. Her employment was not stable and she’d taken her little kids to a Christmas party at this club. She had no place to live. She never helped the kids with their homework and was casual about school. She showed up at court in an outfit so revealing I made her switch blouses with her mother. The judge, weighing the factors enumerated in the Code (20.1-124 et seq.), decided the case in favor of the father. I filed an appeal, but my client eventually drifted off and I never heard from her again.
Custody is decided on a number of factors, but there is plenty of room within the Code to argue the suitability of each parent without changing the Code.
As to the 70% success rate for men who dispute custody, it has been my experience that the vast majority of men are willing to let the mother be the primary caretaker unless there is something objectionable in their eyes about the mother’s custody. Usually it has to do with the mother’s recent love interest or remarriage, her failure to establish a stable home, her failure to rein in out of control kids, her substance abuse, or her mental health status. In over 90% of divorces the custody is settled amicably and overwhelmingly in favor of the mother.
Since when did it become all right to inform children about violence going on in the household? As a parent, I am appalled that any parent would expose their children to anything like this. I thought a parent’s duty was to shield thir children from violence, hate, bad language, and pornography. When did it become ok to start telling children about abuse? Only when it can be used to brainwash that child into hating the other parent?
You think PAS is a joke? I live with it every day. Too bad this issue has been divided along gender lines, with men claiming it is being used against them and women claiming the same. It is a very real issue. Check out this blog and then tell your readers that PAS is a joke http://tishas.blogspot.com/
For once, I wish women would stop playing victims and think about all these issues..Imagine one day you come home from work, your child gone, your husband gone. The police show up and give you the standard joke restraining order. You can’t see your child for two weeks until the TRO hearing. Then, you only get to see your child every other weekend and you have to pay your hard-earned money just to see them 30% of the time. Then imagine that your husband does everything in his power to stop you from seeing your children, claiming child abuse, claiming non-payment of child-support. Imagine your husband just letting the phone ring instead of letting you talk to your child. Imagine your husband not letting your child play any sports in his school because it may give you more time to see him. Imagine your child looking sad all the time, and not even saying I love you anymore because his Dad has filled him with hate and lies and the “truth” about everything in the divorce.
How would that feel?
Here is the question that should be asked, and is never asked to parents who maliciously manipulate their children to hate the other parent: “Don’t you think your child loves the other parent as much as he does you?” What would you say to that?
Lets think about how horribly we are crippling our children with all of this before you pass judgement. Don’t think about whats not fair for the parents. Who cares about the parents. We should be thinking about the children. Call it whatever you want, alienation of the children is wrong. Ever saying anything bad about the other parent is WRONG.
http://tishas.blogspot.com/
as hard as it is for a father to gain custody in the US, i find it incredible that somehow there are judges out there awarding custody to spouse abusers. who are these judges?
I was stunned to learn this myself. The Mommy Go Bye-Bye blog is documenting the problem in Virginia.
Hi Razor (http://tishas.blogspot.com), Thank you for your comment. You have given me the opportunity to clarify the phrase “parental alienation.” The literature will support that “parental alienation behaviors” are indeed often exhibited by separating parents, but that “parental alienation syndrome,” or “PAS,” is much much less common for it is very very difficult for the average child to be “talked out” (brainwashed, manipulated, etc.) of loving both mom and dad. “PAS” is terminology that should be reserved for detachment or resentment behaviors seen IN THE CHILD, not the parent, IF THAT TERMINOLOGY IS USED AT ALL for it should not be — the PhD (Richard Gardner) who coined “PAS” was a self-financed self-promoter and nut who committed suicide not long ago. Even the APA (American Psychological Association) has discredited him and his theories. I am not, however, afraid of using the words “parental alienation.” It is all over my case and the cases that have come my way and even yours, apparently. We all need to drop that one word: “SYNDROME.” Eben, my feeling is that the male who is a fine person, good man, and wonderful father is less likely than an abuser to go to court to tear his child away from a mother — good fathers, if they try, will likely prevail (joint custody at least). Now this is MY feeling. (You ask “Who are these judges?” Well, Fairfax County Circuit Court is full of them, the courts of Northern Virginia appear to be full of them. Our judges bond with “moneyed abusers” — the greed factor here is overpowering, the result is BARRATRY (defn. inciting groundless judicial proceedings, inventing reasons to go to court, a criminal offense, see Virginia Code). Alice, I have just discovered a blog titled Mothers United Against Domestic Violence: http://mothersunitedagainstdomesticviolence.blogspot.com. Thanks for everything. ~ Veronique
W H E N ‘P A’ B A C K F I R E S
From: Veronique Wyvell
To: sarvy@parental-alienation-awareness.com
Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 9:19 AM
Subject: PA and PAS: All Tangled Up
Attention: http://www.parental-alienation-awareness.com
Dear Mr. Emo,
Parental Alienation Awareness is a good thing. I wish, however, to see an end to the use of the word “syndrome.” I stay busy making every effort to untangle “PA” and “PAS” — members of the general public appear to be terribly confused by these two terms. Please consider refocusing on a single issue, which should be “PA,” especially at this time when the APA is preferring to continue its vague and noncommittal position on “PAS.”
Sticking with a single issue and sticking to the simple truth will move you and your cause closer to success much more quickly. People like you and I know that many many separating parents engage in “alienating behaviors” (it is easy to find and count the number of custody cases in litigation, of domestic relations lawyers in trial practice). Much less certain, however, is the number of children succumbing to “syndromes” from parents who engage in alienating behaviors or tactics. How would we even measure such a thing? How do we measure something that has never been properly defined? What exactly is “PAS,” Mr. Emo?
The following is my recent reaction, left on a Virginia blog, to a comment by a 32-year-old woman named Razor. Does Razor have “PAS?”
“Hi Razor (http://tishas.blogspot.com) — Thank you for your comment. You have given me the opportunity to clarify the phrase “parental alienation.” The literature will support that “parental alienation behaviors” are indeed often exhibited by separating parents, but that “parental alienation syndrome,” or “PAS,” is much much less common for it is very very difficult for the average child to be “talked out” (brainwashed, manipulated, etc.) of loving both mom and dad. “PAS” is terminology that should be reserved for detachment or resentment . . . seen IN THE CHILD [for the targeted parent], NOT in the parent [who engages in alienating behaviors], IF THAT TERMINOLOGY IS USED AT ALL for it should not be . . . I am not, however, afraid of using the words “parental alienation.” It is all over my case and the cases that have come my way and even yours, apparently. We all need to drop that one word: “SYNDROME”. . .”
Mr. Emo, why not go to Razor’s blog to see the result of true parental alienation? You will see there a grownup’s detachment from and resentment for the parent who engaged in alienating behaviors; you will see NO detachment from and resentment for the targeted parent. Now, does your use of the word “syndrome” account for that phenomenon? In your opinion, is Razor suffering with the syndrome you speak of? In my opinion, the case of Razor proves that an alienated, non-custodial parent can actually benefit from PA. If “PAS” exists, as you contend, is it your feeling and the sentiment of your organization that “PAS” is bad when PA backfires and actually helps an an alienated, non-custodial parent?
Best for children, and your movement, is a single issue and the simple truth.
Here is one more very important fact for you, Mr. Emo, the research is clear, children are very rarely lying when they say a parent is physically abusing and/or sexually molesting them. I have written above: “. . . very difficult for the average child to be “talked out”. . .” Does the case of Razor not support this? Do you really want to risk keeping abused children in harm’s way by slapping the label “syndrome” onto every truthful child who is simply trying to protect himself or herself from violence at the hands of a deranged parent?
Please reconsider your promotion of that word “syndrome.” I think you would see greater support for your mission, much greater support.
I will visit Governor Kaine of Virginia with your cause and its petitions but not until you discontinue your use of the word “syndrome.”
Very truly yours,
Veronique Wyvell, RN
Member, Fairfax County Network Against Family Abuse
Founder, Mothers Against Unjust Law
7831 Enola Street, #TA7, McLean, Virginia 22102
VWyvell@patriot.net
http://mommygobyebye-virginia.blogspot.com
MAUL (Mothers Against Unjust Law) Goals:
Rebuttable PRESUMPTIONS Against Custody for Batterers
PPAs (Parenting Plan Agreements) before Litigation
Moratorium on CCEs (Child Custody Evaluations)
MINIMUM Parent-Time Schedules (UTAH Code)
JURY Trials (in Domestic Relations Cases)
PROTECTIVE Parent Reform Acts
PCs (Parenting Coordinators)
DIGITAL Courtroom Records
TERM LIMITS for Judges
http://tishas.blogspot.com/ is my blog but I changed the web address to http://theangrydaughter.blogspot.com/ please update to the new url…Thanks
I find it very sad that I had to chose one child over another so I could protect my Down’s Syndrome son, now 30 years old and I want the public to know that my daughter Tisha didn’t tell them that The department of Health and Community Services were investioning my firsy husband and it has be stated by Social Workers that Tisha dad sexual abused her brother Troy and they told me this in 1991 when I didn’t believed it and I was in deniel and all of my family want to conceal this and hope it would go away but it didn’t because her dad couldn’t stop the sexual abusea. I gave him lots of chances. In 2006 after my second husband was long gone and had a very m=nice girlfriend, a nurse and I can’t blame him as it has been a nightmare Troy and his dad and police and count. The last visit when Troy return and told me Tisha dad was sexually abusing him and the doctors all know this and Health and Community Service.My second is a good father to my to kids at home and my youngest.Troy miss my second husband and his girlfriend has been sick, breast cancer and she doesn’t need this bad things said about my second and if it wasn’t for him I would have lost my house.He comes from a very good family and they bad news.He use to take Tisha to swimming lessons and gartar lessons, Also, all her friends for pizza and he was good to her and to her camping to P E I and he was a good father , just didn’t have the hundred thousand dallor and he couldn’t buy her.When Tisha got her hair dressing course,we gave alot of money for her hair supplys. The last day Tisha was home she scream at my second husband when he tried to eat his dinner and took a fit and kick my back door, she was 14 teen and she had two trying to please her with drives and money,I would say a little spoilt.I didn’t even have one dad. Also,I met Tisha dad when I was still 13 teen and he know it on my 14th birthday when after buying me a birthday presants because I told him and my mother told him the next day that I just turn 14teen and she was calling the police and to stay away from me. Tishe dad was still married to his first wife , Caroline and I didn’t know this or that he had a 8 month baby. His first wife told him don’t you think Dawn is pretty young when we took our Kent.I think my daughter should see counselor or a doctor for help, she seems very angery and her name suits her very well. Maybe going to church and some forgiveness would help. It has help me! God Bless!Also, at one time Troy had a had time to tell people who was wrong but he can talk real well now and sing too!Troy’s a real nice person and I wish things could have been different and that his real dad didn’t do these things but I not sure if he can be help and it is said they can’t.dawnangel5@hotmail.com Pray for him!!
When Troy started school some people had trouble to understand him and I was told he would get help with that problem in school but there was long waited list. Today, Troy is thirty and can talk very well and people understand what he tells them.Troy goes to a work shop and has lots of friends. Also, he is happy and doing well. Why don’t we hear more about her half brother Kent and why he was raised by Tisha grandmother and when he was little they did’t want her dad to have a father son relationship. I now find it strange now I am 51 and know what Troy has been saying and Health Community Services have said about her dad.Also, why wasn’t her dad worry about his first wife and her relationship with Kent.Now I know why the family wouldn’t let Kent see his mother and they all gang up on Caroline,first wife in court but I didn’t let them get away with it with me.Tisha this is about what is best for Troy! That is to stop the abuse by YOUR DAD.Also, if he kills him after he has 12 beer , as he saids only a couple of beer but enough to kill both of them drinking and driving! Drinking and driving kills! dawnangel
Re: Dawn Goff said:
Lie lie lie all you do is lie…By the way you didn’t choose one child over the other…I choose my father over you, my lying mother! The department of Health and Community Services washed there hand of it because several Psychiatrist & evidence all showed that dad is innocent & never did what you say he did…Dad also took a lie detector test that was not admissible it court but that also said that dad was telling the truth…Although I didn’t need the detector test to tell me what I already knew…You are so contradicting your self…Bragging your second husband up the one who use to beat us with a belt & burnt my down syndrome brothers fingers on the kerosene heater…There are so many things that he did that were not appropriated…
Your second husband the one you said was going to shoot you with his gun…You said you gave his guns to the police…
I suspect that that is another lie you made because I don’t think your second husband is stupid enough to say something like that…Even though he did a lot of stuff that he should not of done I think even he is a better parent than you…At least he isn’t mentally ill like yourself…That was probably just a plots to make him look bad in case you have to go to court…
I always toggled between two things trying to figure out if it was you or or your 2nd husband who was filling my down syndrome brother head full of lies…Maybe deep down I hope it was him & not you because you are my mother & mothers are not suppose to hurt there kids that way but after the court thing with you lying about me right in front of my face I know in my heart with out a doubt that it was you all along…Then what come to mind is are you just a lier or are you mentally ill…I hope that you are mentally ill because then that would sort of give you an excuse for being such a bad mother & a lier…Like I have said before I am also willing to get the lie detector test done…Are you? I will even pay to have you take it…Your probably to scared to take me up on my offer…Aren’t you?
If a mother has dated couple men , Tisha you can not try to pin on them what your dad did to your brother Troy.Health and Community Services were investing your dad and not my second husband or any of my boyfriends.There is an old saying the more you stir the pot the hotter it gets.I have been to the police to ask for lie detector test as I thought it would help but they don’t need it.I will pray for you and ask God to heal your angrey it’s not healthy for you.It will shorten your life and all that stress and four kids and working.Please go to therapy and deal with your angery.Your got your name right, The Angery Daughter. I like dawnangel, love , kindness,forgiveness and protecting my sons from your dad.God Bless! dawnangel5@hotmail.com ps. I don’t lie, The Truth will set you free!
Dad never touched my brother…What about what you allowed you 2nd husband to do to my brother & I…Your nothing but a lying conniving biotch. Once a lier always a lier…Are you forgetting the lie you said about me in the court room or the lies you sent to me in my email saying that dad touched me…I was to the police too & told them all about everything…I have also called the police on you several time when you have called my house starting your crap…I do not need a lie detector either but I am still willing to get one & post it on the internet to prove my point…Further more it is Fredericton where you have to go for the lie detector test not in Saint John NB…Also I have keep all your emails in case I need them in the future…Also all the post that you have posted on other sites I have them all accounted for & burnt on disk for if I need them…You can also stop getting people to call my house looking for you…You are so stupid your not seeing the big picture of why I made the blog in the first place…You took the bait hook & all…The Angry Daughter is The Smart Daughter & your too slow to keep up!
When the investion by Health and Community Services and I tried to protect my son Troy I was told by my daughter that she would so anything about me and my second husband, use blackmail to protect her dad. So when it came to ending this crazyness and standing firm with Health and Community Services and stopping the visits.Also, after Troy came home upset and hit me and broke my nose and hit me violent I realize those visit weren’t good for him.If I have did what my daughter wanted cover up what her dad did and gone against Health and Community Services then I would still be in good with her.So I chose to do the right thing, protect Troy from sexual abuse, violent movies and drinking driving.I did the right thing, chose my son over my Angrey Daughter!!! dawnangel5@hotmail.com
Correction, my daughter would make up anything to protect her dad!, this call Blackmail!The Truth will set you free! God Bless!
You are such a lier…I would not lie to protect my father or any one else…I would how ever tell the truth no matter how embarrassing it is to me to protect him from a lier like you…If my brother broke your nose then you must of deserved it…What were you doing to him to make him break your nose…I remember you smashing me in the face & giving me a bloody nose in the barn & dad had to stop you…My brother never acted up when he was with dad or me…You are such a idiot…I don’t make up any thing for any one…I hate liers that is why I hate you as much as I do…Just like all the lies you went around telling my friends every time you saw them…They would tell me everything you said…Then you calling my friends trying to dig up dirt on me…That is all you know is how to make up stories & lie…Like my older brother said may be if you hadn’t been drinking when you were pregnant with my down syndrome brother may be he wouldn’t be down syndrome…I would never drink when I was pregnant…You are one piece of work…You disgust me…
The Truth will set you free! God Bless!
Some time ago my daughter, Tisha was calling over and over again to repeat what her dad wanted to say to me.He couldn’t call me so he was getting her to do his dirty work.I call the police to get them to listen to the mean things she was saying to me on the answering machine Tisha has or her dad can’t call me anymore . Now she has her blog doing the same because they can’t call us.I have to remember this isn’t my daughter voice it’s her dad’s voice talking.I always hope my daughter I could work things out but her dad has taking over her mind. I am moving on with my life as life is short and I don’t wish to waste it this way. All the best to you Tisha and your children!God Bless!May God come into your heart!Protect your kids please!dawnangel xoxo
Dad has nothing to do with what I say to you…If it wasn’t for him I wouldn’t have even spoke to you in the first place…He keep telling me what a hard time you were having & you wanted me to call…You played the act with him & he bought it…I warned him that it was all a act…Oh poor you! Your other husband & your son were giving you a hard time…Dad felt bad for you, boy was dad stupid…I knew you were playing a game to make him feel sorry for you…The way I treat you is your fault not dads…I am sorry to say I am just like you in some ways…I call you & told you off because of all the lies your spreading around…But don’t worry mommy I have a mouth too for every lie you tell people I tell them the truth about what a rotten mother you are & how you are a lier…I tell it all…Let the truth be told…I am protecting my kids from being manipulated by there evil grandmother…If you come with in a foot toward them I will be calling the police on you…I don’t trust you…You are not mentally stable & I don’t know what you would do…These are my words…
The Truth will set you free! God Bless!
Wake up and make that change! dawnangel5@hotmail.com As They Say! We are what we repeatedly do, by Aristotle
Bla bla bla…I don’t need to change I am perfect just the way I am…Go sleep with some more married fathers (doctor)like Mohamed was it…You know jungle boy as you called him…Tramp!
Well I would stay on my computer & tell you what a unfit & abusive mother you are but I have to go get stuff ready for the morning for work because unlike you I have a life…
We should listen to our self talk or our words or sentences that are mostly of the time negative or are mostly positive?If they are not mainly positive then it’s time to read a good book! The Dance of Anger by Harriet Goldhor Lerner, Ph,D Also, Auther of THE Dance Of Intimacy. Also, The ultimate measure of a man is not where he stands in moments of comfort , but where he stands at times of challenge and controversy. by Martin Luther King, Jr.Nobel Laureate dawnangel5@hotmail.com
Take your books & shove them where the sun don’t shine. Don’t bother calling dad & telling him to tell me top stop posting on my blog. Dad has no idea what a blog is or how to use one…When you going to realize that I am not no one puppet & no one is pulling the strings…I am not down syndrome & no one can make me do any thing…I do what I want to do & as long as you continue to spread lies then I will continue to post to my blog & spread the truth…It is my right to spread the truth & that is what I will continue to do…You make me laugh at what a idiot you are wasting your time reading all these books…Do you pay any attention to your other 2 kids or are your stupid books too important…I know my down syndrome brother is with that foster lady more than he is with you…Fact is once a lousy mother always a lousy mother like I said before & I will say it again you have no right to have kids…Even you neighbors think you are a idiot…Don’t call my father again all you are doing is adding more fuel to my fire…You don’t like my blog, too bad…Unless you start saying the truth me & my blog are not going any where…other wise “Suck It Up Princess”
When you say things in writing on the computer you better beable to prove them in a court of Law?? Also, If everyone is thinking alike , then somebody isn’t thinking. By George Spatton U.S. general dawnangel5@hotmail.com
Lets go to court…I can back up every thing up & I am willing & able to get a lie detector test unlike you liar…You can’t back any thing you say up because it is all bull…
Happpy Valentines Day to the Angery Daughter! G
Happy Valentines Day to the Angery Daughter! God loves you but he doesn’t approve of the bad things you are doing and the lieing too! This isn’t the little girl I remember, good and kinds but her dad was hurting her and she couldn’t tell me because I told her if any man sexually abuse her and I would kill him but I couldn’t hurt anyone!I didn’t it might be her dad!
You are a lying whore…I am calling the cops right now on you for what you have just posted Bitch…That is a lie & Defamation of Character.
I hope you choke on one of those little red heart candies…
Sorry Tisha, I and Health and Community Services are tell the truth, grow up and get your head out of the sand!Go get some therapy or counseling to deal with past issues and get on with your life.Mental Health can help you deal with what you don’t want to except!dawnangel
Mental health sure didn’t help you any…Your the one who has been going to therapist for years & your as crazy as the birds…You have gotten worse rather than better…I’m not the one who has to sleep with other people husbands to make me feel like I am worth some thing…You are a big “Joke”…Go choke on a little red cinnamon heart…
Shortly after my socond husband came to board to help or I would have been out in the street because your dad would pay child support so I had to live on Welfare. Anyway, not long after one early one morning I answer the door there was your drunk of a dad at the door telling he had put his car in the ditch on the way home after work. Anyway, I felt sorry for him and put him down stairs, the next day I found him a man to tow his truck out and fix it too.That man still lives and so does my second husband.They can prove what he did. Also, recently Troy told me that your dad was doing things Troy doesn’t like down stairs. Troy said he didn’t wet kiss too!So that is the way your dad thanking me by hurting Troy! If you keep writing bad things about me then I will keep writing what I can prove in court about your dad.I will keep write the truth !God Bless! dawnangel ps Troy can talk now and people unstand him!
People understand Troy now and Troy didn’t like wet kiss!dawnangel
What ever…You must be working hard to program him to say things…It isn’t hard to program a down syndrome child to say what you want…By the way you are always using other peoples quotes…That just shows you haven’t the mentality to think of any thing to say on your own…Well I think I will go call my dad…He is the only parent I know & truly care for & his girlfriend is like the mother I always wanted & the kids consider her their nanny…I am truly blessed that my father has such a wonderful woman in his life…
On those visits to your dad’s you and Troy I don’t believe every had a babysitters out in Golden Grove. Remember you told me you dad left you alone all the time looking after Troy when you were 12 years old in the summer of 1986.Anyway, I find it strange he doesn’t like babysitters.Also,His girlfriend Darline Wil.and your dad asked me to look after her two kids after he left. I don’t think too many exwifes would do that but I now know the reason why he wanted me because I wouldn’t see the signs??!!Anyway, What the reason your dad doesn’t babysitters, it’s not because he didn’t have the money!Another thing your dad told me Darlene went up town to look for him with a knife and I wondering what he could of done to get her so mad at him.God Bless ! Stop child abuse and protect our kids everone! dawnangel
Just one more thing Tisha, your dad wrote my excuses so I could jig or didn’t have to go to school in grade 7 , and he sign my mother name to them so we could go parking. dawnangel, I don’t think legal!!!
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One of the most important things I would like to say is that Parental Alienation Syndrome is a problem for women ss much as it is for men and when I haar ignorant opinions saying that it’s
just a defense for men that abuse children it hurts women that
are victims of the denigration they go through to protect their
children from a father that is a parental alienatior. Once again,
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Tisha tell us more about your half brother kent and why he didn’t get to know his mother and why your dad’s family lied to him and told him I was his mother until some time in 1983. Kents 38 years old now and rasied by his grandmother and grandfather! Kent looks like his very pretty mother!God Bless!
Tisha, you didn’t have my permission to put my Pictures on the computer!I want you to remember how you and your dad called and asked for help when your friend April got pregnant by someone in yours dads house in Red Head, how old was April, 14 teen? God Bless! dawnangel P.s.go get some therapy or counselor help! That social worker came here twice asking for my help but your grand mother said you were on drugs and you were too wild for me.On my neighours roof with their two boys!
You have no right to bring my friends into this you will say & do any thing if you think it is going to be to your advantage…And the pictures are mine…You want the pictures come & get them from my house if you dare…You haven’t seen nothing yet…
Your the one that had friends in your house with drugs not me…I found a joint in you chair…I don’t remember being on the neighbors roof with the two boys that you are talking about but big deal if I was…Isn’t that Married doctor Mohamed that you said you sleep with like half your age or younger…From every thing that your always saying would that make you a pedophile? I would think so…
Your are sick for sure!I was 13 teen when I met you dad and the police know all about this because they kept stopping him and when I was 14 teen and came home with clothers that your dad bought for me mt mother called the more than once to tell them that he was dating me who turn 14 teen just that August the 10.The police keep stopping your dad, twice for sitting too close and one time for letting me drive without a licence.The police know all about your dad!Yes, on a cold beach on the night I turn 14 teen after your dad gave me alcohal and bought birthday presants took me to that cold beach on a dark night and made me have sex with him and I was overwhelmed as I never had a man give gifts before.This all happen when I was in grade 7 at St Peters school.The only reason your dad married me was so he didn’t have to go to jail!You better beable to prove everything you have said her because some people might want to sue you!!God Bless!Yes I was 13 and your Dad a married man 9 years older!
my mother called the police more then once about you dad dating me and just turn 14 teen in grade 7 at St Peters school! God Bless!
I don’t care what you say…You were pregnant when you were 17 & had me when you were 18…Poor helpless you…So what you are saying you were a nasty whore for 4 years prier to being pregnant with me so that you could use my dad to get presents…You always blame every one for your so called problems…Let them sue me in fact your the one that told me about the married man Mohamed that has two daughters so you can blame your self…Just think some one that knows him will eventually see what I have wrote & tell his wife what a whore you are for sleeping with her husband…I wish I knew the last name so I could tell her myself…Just think all any one has to do is type your name or email into google search bar & see what you are…
Just keep writing crazy things on this site and they be coming to take those poor kids away from their crazy mother!I could been pregnat when I was 14 teen on that beach that cold night!Just like your friend April. What is the age of her baby that she gave away that night, what 20 or 19 teen, 1987 or 1988.Today that child is wonder about his parents!When I came by to help and was told her boy friend was punching her in the stomach this upset me! Also, poor Rocky your dog, who hit him with your dads car!Tisha driving to the animal Rescue so they wouldn’t put the dog to sleep!without a licence, age 14 teen and she live in Red Head!How do I know, because went to get the money from my mother!Also, it was your Dad’s mother how told me your were doing drugs. I figure out it was to cover up what he was doing.So we would be close and I would know what he was doing to my kids!So no one would believe you if you told on him!Protect her son but not the grandchildren! It should be the other way around! The truth will always come out! The truth will set you free! God Bless! dawnangel
My mother told me you drove to her house to get the money from her!Yes, I could have been pregnant by your dad when I WAS 14 TEEN on my birthday!dawnangel
When I was 15 years old yes I went to both my grandmothers houses to & asked for money to go to the dances with my friend…Dad gave me money for the dance…Yes I was a wild teen & It was so that me & my friend would have money to get the stupid guy that hung around market square to buy us a pint of vodka & then we would go to the dance…So your point would be? At least I don’t lie about it & blame other people for my mistakes…So Dr.Mohamed (what ever his last name is)doesn’t he live in Fredericton NB(I could be wrong) But he was from Africa…I am closer to finding out what i need to know…
There is alot of guy’s in Canada with the same name and they move around alot, some of them work for the police.Alot of guys with the same name come from around the world and they are very good looking!
Oh I didn’t read your other post…I already called the police about you & what you were writing & there’s not a dam thing you can do about me writing the truth…Is that all you know to do is make threats & twist things into lies…You are the sick one bringing up people that have nothing to do with this & nothing to do with you…Is Vodka a drug? I always thought it was alcohol…Nobody hit my dog with a car…It went to the bathroom on grams floor so she sent it to the animal Rescue league…See how you twist things around…Something is wrong with your head….My father never laid a finger on me…You are so sick & twisted beyond repair…You are the “Crazy Mommy” can’t you think up any thing original or you just take other people Quotes & use them for your own…
Yes there may of been a lot of them with the same name but they don’t all have the DR. in front of their name so it shouldn’t be too hard to find out what I need to know…I already have a name I am just not sure if it the right one but I will figure it out…
Your barking up the wrong tree! Small minds think of small things!Have a good day and God Bless! dawnangel
We are what we repeated do.Excellence, then , is not an act but a habit.By Aristotle Philosopher
Why don’t you be like Lady Diana and do some good for this world.You are smart and Creative. You can make the right choices and protect your cildren!You are pretty and have alot of good to give the world! God Bless! I love you Tisha, your mom!
You can make the right choices and Protect your children!
You consider yourself a mother…I beg to differ…
Hang on a minute “Judges are buying this” ?
So you equate a woman alienating her children from there father to automatic abuse BY the father? What is abused is that ANY woman can go to court and scream abuse and get what she wants. I lost my job as a Deputy and visitation with my children because of a woman who wanted to win, and knew what to say in court to do it. What needs to change is custody laws. JOINT custody should be automatic and mandantory. ANY abuse (yes even PAS) should be tried in court and you should go to JAIL
i’m so very confused about all this. my boyfriend abused me when i was pregnant and after the pregnancy. it left so many dark bruses on my body. when i had enough i was going to leave the placed we both lived at. when he wouldn’t give up the child i called the police and they told me that they couldn’t do anything about it but when the dispute was all over an officer made a decision saying that the child needs to stay with him and that if i leave with the child i will be arrested! i have a feeling the officer knew his father because he was real mean to me and told me the baby had to stay without hearing my side of the story!
Seriously, Tisha, Dawn, whoever you are: stop posting. No one cares about your little psychosocial dance. The endless rehashing of this or that incident… it seems clear to me that each of you needs the other in her life, because you each need someone to feel superior towards. I don’t know what the correct solution is, whether it’s group counseling or individual therapy or a complete break from each other, but nothing I’ve read from either of you is constructive. You both come across as petty, spiteful, and in desperate need of vindication. Either take serious steps to get it together offline, or for the rest of your lives you’ll be clinging to this bile like a floatation device.
Joe Goldberg is a scam artist. Don’t call him for PAS. He is not a professional, just a disgruntled alcoholic father that his adult children dont want to see because he lies about everything.
PAS is a real problem. My siblings and I all grew up dealing with the abuse of PAS. We all came out of it differently. I now have a better relationship with the parent that was alienated from me by the abusive PAS parent. (In other words I have a better relationship with the parent who was not able to be there regularly and a superficial relationship with the other parent.) That parent hurt themself in doing what they did to all of us growing up. In a way I feel sorry for that parent, but I will never have a true relationship with them. Parents really don’t understand what they are doing to thier children when they abuse them in this way. I was blessed to have an outlet in the form of a grandparent who never took sides with or talked bad about either parent and whom I am extremely close to now also as a result. Please if someone reads this post think before you speak to your children about your ex-spouse. YOU could do yourself more harm than you could do to thier opinion the other parent.
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Regarding Liz’s comment on March 28th about Joe Goldberg:
Exposing any real or fabricated details on Mr. Goldberg’s or anyone’s personal past does NOT discredit his professionalism, nor does it excuse ANY child, even his, from rejecting or disowning a father who has painstakingly tried to maintain some semblance of parental ties (as evidenced by his litigation efforts documented on his website). One thing for sure, he intimately knows the agony a parent experiences when a child, without looking back, chooses to summarily dismiss a dad or a mom out of their life. And truthfully, neither wives, nor husbands nor children are able to stand without fault before God in some way for the heartbreaking mess we have caused in the midst of the selfishness of divorce.
Before engaging anyone’s services, a potential client should have the wherewithal to research the matter on their own, apart from the hearsay of cruel posts such as this one. When all is said and done, CLIENTS are the ones ultimately responsible for discerning the PROFESSIONAL (not personal) validity of any of the medical, legal or consulting experts we become or continue to be involved with.
Hi there everyone I have a new site, dawntheangelstory.blogspot. God Bless! dawnangel
Hi there everyone I just wanted to let you know I have some pictures on my new blog site and one of the devil back with I was dating him at 13 teen and 14 teen! Also ,I am put some pictures of Troy my site too!Protect our kids! dawntheangelstory.blogspot.com The truth will set us free! God Bless! dawnangel
Hi everyone, I wanted to make a correction, I wanted to say,” one of the devil back when I was dating him at 13 teen and 14teen years old”! God Bless! dawnangel
Girl..u said your mom blames everyone and plays the victim…you sure are doing a heck of a god job yoursef. My childhood was so dispicable I wound up in fostercare and that ws even worse. Today I blame NO ONE and am FREE. I CHOOSE who I want to be, and I want to be ME, loving, sweet, and free. I feel sorry for you because you are as bad, if not worse than your mom. Pot calling the kettle black. At least you know ahead of time that you are a ruthless self centered, angry, selfish, self absorbed, self pitying bitch, and you know you are incapable of forgiveness. knowing all of that I would think that you know you couldnt possibly be a mom in any capacity. I forgave My unbelievable sociopathic parents( yup, 2 of em). I even visit them on occasion and politely nod in agreement when they tell me what an asshole I am. stay for a VERY short time and LEAVE, knowing they are SICK. I dont have to TELL THEM. That would make ME SICK TOO. I pray for them, and have loving friends who support me in life. My 3 grown daughters and I are so loving and tight. Because I LOVE, LOVE, LOVE….Even when my kids got nasty I LOVED>>>>>>>>>>>> I dont think you could. Your full of self pity, resentment and anger. Its not about HER anymore…..WHAT ARE YOU, YOU YOU DOING?!! BITCH. I dont mean her, scary mommy. I mean you….scary you.
Thanks Debra FOR YOUR WORDS about love and forgivness. I made a big mistake at 13 years old of dating a man nine years older then I and leaving school to date him at 14. Some mistakes are hard to live with like leaving school and not graguating with class mates your own age. The ring and pictures or certificates graduation are things I will always miss.Yes some of us don’t grow up in the best of homes and some of us have to leave home to feel safe.God Bless to all that support Troy and I, dawnangel! I have read many good books that are postive and that talk about being love centred. To make our choices base being centre on love and not hate.But we have to protect ourselfs with it comes to evil people that want to harm us. dawntheangelstory.blogspot.com
Yes I am a Bitch. I take that as a complement. Thank you for giving me the respect that I deserve.
Hi there to all, I just wanted to make a correction to say I was talking about graduation. . I am sorry I haven’t on my blog but hope later this week to write in it! Thanks to all that support Troy and I. God Bless!
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Maligning fathers
By Cathy Young | January 23, 2006
LAST NOVEMBER, I wrote about the controversy about the Public Broadcasting Service documentary, ”Breaking the Silence: Children’s Stories,” which claimed that male batterers and child abusers frequently gain custody of their children in divorce cases after the mothers’ claims of abuse are disbelieved by the courts. The film caused an outcry from fathers’ rights groups. In response to these protests, PBS announced a 30-day review to determine whether the film met the editorial guidelines for fairness and accuracy.
Unfortunately, it seems that the review amounted to little more than a whitewash.
On Dec. 21, PBS issued a statement acknowledging that the film ”would have benefited from more in-depth treatment of the complex issues,” but also concluded that ”the producers approached the topic with the open-mindedness and commitment to fairness that we require of our journalists” and that the program’s claims were supported by ”extensive” research.
Those claims included some highly inflammatory assertions: for instance, that three-quarters of contested custody cases involve a history of domestic violence, and that wife and child abusers who seek child custody after divorce win two-thirds of the time.
Connecticut Public Television, which co-produced ”Breaking the Silence,” has supplied me with two detailed reports — one from producer Dominique Lasseur, the other from Lasseur and George Washington University law professor Joan Meier, the film’s lead expert — on which PBS drew to support its conclusion. To call these reports shoddy and self-serving would be an understatement.
Thus, the reports cite the Massachusetts Supreme Judicial Court’s Gender Bias Study of 1989 as proof that fathers who seek custody receive it at least 70 percent of the time — even though this study does not distinguish custody disputes from cases in which the father got custody by mutual agreement. Other sources used to support the claim of male advantage are even weaker: They include the Battered Mothers’ Testimony Project from the Wellesley Center for Women, which used a sample of 40 women with grievances about the family courts. No mention is made of much larger, representative studies of divorcing couples (such as the one reported by Stanford University psychologist Eleanor Maccoby and Harvard law professor Robert Mnookin in the 1992 book ”Dividing the Child”) showing that far fewer fathers than mothers get the custodial arrangements they want.
Assertions that abusive men are especially likely to seek custody of children and are likely to prevail in court are backed by similarly slipshod evidence.
Defending the claim made in ”Breaking the Silence” that children are in greater danger of abuse from fathers than from mothers, Lasseur and Meier point to several limited studies that often lump together biological fathers with stepfathers and mothers’ boyfriends (who, statistically, pose a far higher risk). Yet even these cherry-picked statistics show that a significant proportion of perpetrators of severe child abuse are mothers–which makes the film’s exclusive focus on abusive fathers difficult to defend.
The producer’s account of how he went about researching the film reinforces the impression of bias. Battered women’s advocates are presumed to be disinterested champions of victims, even though many of them have an ideological agenda of equating family violence with male oppression of women and children; advocates for divorced fathers or abused men are seen as tainted with ”antiwoman bias.” In the same vein, Lasseur’s report is supplemented by a letter signed by ”98 professionals” who support the film’s conclusions — but a number of those ”professionals” are feminist activists, including National Organization for Women President Kim Gandy.
Lasseur and Meier profess to be shocked that anyone could see the film as collectively maligning divorced fathers when it focuses only on abusive fathers in contested custody cases. Yet the film clearly suggests that if a divorcing father decides to fight for custody, chances are he’s a batterer who’s using the custody suit as an abuse tactic — and that if he’s accused of abuse, he’s most probably guilty. And that’s not prejudicial?
Notably, PBS ombudsman Michael Getler and especially Corporation for Public Broadcasting ombudsman Ken Bode have taken a far more negative view of the film than did the PBS review. On Jan. 4, Bode wrote, ”After close review including discussions and e-mail exchanges with those involved with the program or closely affected by it, I found the program to be so totally unbalanced as to fall outside the boundaries of PBS editorial standards on fairness and balance.”
The one silver lining in this mess is that PBS has decided to commission another, more in-depth film on the subject of abuse and child custody. Let’s hope that this time, it tackles the subject with real ”open-mindedness and commitment to fairness.”
Cathy Young is a contributing editor at Reason magazine. Her column appears regularly in the Globe.
© Copyright 2006 Globe Newspaper Company.
Hi there, I just wanted to say that I will talk with Dominique Lasseur who tried to talk with me on my computer. I didn’t know who he was! dawnangel and Troy! God Bless!
Hi there, today is Troy’s 31 birthday , Aug 10/08. I wanted to share with everyone that. Troy is doing fine. Troy work at a work shop in Saint John called U.C.T. dawnangel and Troy, God Bless!
Hi there, this troy saying hi.
Hi there, I just found out my son Shawn who is only 13 has been wrrting to my Angery daughter Blog. I just want to say the apple doesn’t fall far from the tree! When I was about eight months pregnant I was sent a letter complaining that the devil couldn’t see Troy. Most good men wait, Her dad tryed to hurt him before Shawn was born by trying to upset me so I would miscarry Shawn!This was in 1994 and I was told by Health and Community Services said to stop the visits that Troy was being sexually abused by his dad ,the devil! Back sometime in 2001 after the visit started up again after the lawyers said Troy had to go back my son Shawn had to watch his Downs Syndrome be upset after those visits, ex: throw my kitchen table and hurt me! Now Shawn is the same age that I was when I was dated The Angery Daughter dad, and that was only 13teen.Let me remind Tisha that running down the Goffs is a big mistake because you hurting Shawn!You a like your dad’s gun and he is using you as a weapon! Your dad is hiding behind you and using you to hurt Shawn and I! . You are sick go get some help! Grow up and get a life!Why doesn’t dad come on the computer? God Bless!
Good mothers stop letting fathers have visitation & don’t make up lies & try to brain wash their kids. We all know your not a good mother. Good mothers don’t let their boyfriends beat there kids & burn their down syndrome child’s fingers on a kerosene heater. The rest of my post to you is on my blog I will refrain from putting my vulgar crap I have to say to you on here. Having a child doesn’t give you the right to be called a mother! You have never been a mother to me! Bla Bla Bla sick of your lies.
You sick! Go get some help!I have rights and you can’t say lies and be your sick dad’s gun to hurt me and my life ,chances of getting a good job!I am going to forget you are my daughter and find a lawyer to sue you and your sick father!It all at the police files your dad is child abuser!Go get a life!He only married me so he didn’t have to go to jail. He had you and your brother on three hundred dollars Welfare the years of 1981 until 1984 or when I was able to go out to work and I had a child with Down’s Syndrome. The the he sign over was paid for and it had a 25 year morgage and he was only there two years.The wasn’t any alimony for some strange reason,he didn’t have a lawayer only mine who was Ann Jefferys, now a Judge in Saint John NB.What did I get two children and no education. I lost that because I left Saint Peters to date your dad the devil and I was 14 teen years old.God will Judge you and your devil dad!Maybe they should rename you the devil’s daughter!!God Bless!Also, When Shawn grows up maybe he will sue you and your dad for ruining his childhood !The devil made it hard to support you and your hand-capped brother with no way to get a job because I didn’t have an education!!Think about that one!The devil girlfriend had a good job at the hospital and his paid hundred thousand in 2003 but he forgot to tell Family Court how much he was being paid!Or the free house!
Correction ! The house the devil sign over wasn’t paid for and I paid the 25 year morgage!
Just one more thing I don’t waste my time reading your sick blog.Of an angery sick daughter letting her anger consume her life.Who has been jealousy of her baby brother since he was born and has been trying to hurt him!
Cry me a river…After the lies you got him saying about my dad I do not consider him my brother…I may hate the little bastard for what you put in his head but jealous of him I think “not” …Just remember what goes around comes around…My blog is up to stay & every bit of it is truth & you can take that to the bank! And if I die I will make sure there is someone to take it over for me!
“Boo who my name is Dawn Angel & I am a helpless little victim…I want every one to feel sorry for me!”
Get over your self & get a life…Really tire of your lies…Yawning!
O’yes you ran out of money so you thought up away to get famous and make some because you ran out of money!Small minds think of small things! God Bless!
wtf are you talking about…you are a moron…lmao…Made my blog to tell what a abusive childhood I had because of my mother & her abusive husband that moved in first as a border & was in her bed in no time at all…Oh yes I am so famous…You better tell all the other bloggers out there that they made there blog to get famous…The only one with the small mind is you…Don’t forget I have my grade 12 & a hair dressing course that I got a student loan for & paid for…My mother in law bought my books when I was going to high school…I have also taken computer courses…Sorry to disappoint you but no I have not run out of money…It’s called get off your ass & get a job you you sniveling biotch…
If devil wasn’t so evil then there would be a problem and I would have had to have any other boyfriends and we would have had a nice happy family.Also,If the devil hadn’t have been after me at 13teen years I too would have got a education. I wouldn’t have had to stuggle to feed you and Troy! I wouldn’t have had Health and Community at my door about the devil! God I would suffer depression and I could have learn better in school too!The police have the file on the devil and they know what he did! Get a life!!Angery Daughter had a devil for a father and she said she has a biotch for her mother!You must be proud of yourself!Get a life with your big education!God Bless!
Ah are you jealous that I have a education? Yes I am proud of myself. For what I had to put up with from you & your border boyfriend/husband I think I did pretty dam good for myself. My aim is to be nothing like you. You are a weak self loathing poor excuse for a mother & a person who blames every one else for her problems instead of taking responsibility for her own actions. You say dad is to blame for all your problems. I lost my virginity at age 13 & you do not see me crying rape or molestation. I didn’t lie to him about my age like you did. It was my choice. I bet you that person is thanking god I am nothing like you. I have had sex when I was drunk before. Once again It was my choice. I chose to drink & I chose to have sex. I chose to stay in school. I chose to take a course. Are you seeing the bigger picture here. Take a dam hard look at you life & tell me how you making a choice is any ones fault but your own? It isn’t!
JUST ONE MORE THING YOU BETTER MAKE GOOD CHOICES IN YOUR FRIENDS!Go look at my brother’s Jeffery grave site and he was drinking friend of the devil. The devil your dad gave jeffery a bottle of beer at age ten years old and my mother called me up and asked why that monster was given my baby brother beer! My brother Jeffery didn’t like child abusers like your dad. Depression at 13 teen and then when I was left with two kids and one with Down’s Syndrome and no education and no way to support my self. Now because of the devil and going to court has hurt my second marriage. I also met a friend at church who is very special to me. My second husband a still friends. He has a big cross to carry with his girlfriend who had breast cancer. God Bless you Tisha! Your need some theripy and to let go of you angery! You have done well in your education and keep doing that and make a life for you and you family!Don’t smoke !! God Bless! I am Ok Tisha!
Just one more thing Tisha I love you , have a nice day and you are special and famous!God Bless!
You are so twisted…One minute you are calling me the devil & your going to forget I am your daughter the next minute you are saying you love me…You got to be kidding me…You do not know the first thing about love…I do not need you in my life…Your talking about your second husband the one you said was going to get his gun & shoot you…You said you gave some of his guns to the police & the last gun of his you were trying to sell…His girlfriend that has cancer who you were calling Bitching Bonnie…What do you take me for stupid…lol You are the one that needs therapy but I can’t say that it will help you any because you have gotten therapy & you are worse than ever…Your problem is you do not like hearing the truth…The truth hurts doesn’t it?
Hi there, This is the last time I feel sorry for you and you talking about if you dieing ! I don’t forget you cutting youself or abusing yourself! I like to forgive people!But after what you have done,telling alot of lies. Hurting Shawn and like making had for me to find work.When I find a good lawyer I going sue you and your devil dad.What your doing you could go to jail for helping someone that sexually abused Troy.I won’t be taking to your again but when I sue for what you and your devil dad did on the computer I see you then. G
Stupid dad never did a dam thing & you can not sue me for telling the truth. My blog is about my life of a abusive mother & her abusive border/boyfriend/husband. How ever on the other hand I can sue you. I am willing to do what ever it takes for the shit you have put me through. You are the one who is a liar. After Christmas your the one who’s going to get a big surprise. Also I never cut my self to hurt my self you stupid bitch. I carved initials into my ankle of a guy I liked with a needle…Big deal I wasn’t the only one who did it…A form of tattooing myself…I will how ever see you in the court room in Nov…Oh happy birthday to me…Is that why you picked November for the court date…Hope you chock on a chicken bone!
Oh & that is really funny that you being too stupid to find a job is now my fault…You are too funny…lol
Just one thing you sound alot you father the devil and he telling everything to say. He didn’t tell Family Court about how much money he made,he lied for a long time!What else did he lie about! Also,back sometime in 1988 or so he could afford race horses and a rider to ride time but with it came to feeding and the care of Troy and you he didn’t have the time or money!!Also, he didn’t the court about the free house the old lady that move into Loch Lomond Villa. He’s not honest and never look after Kent his first child, his own mother did that and they lie and said I was the mother!Lie , Lie, that what they are good at! God Bless. They would like Kent mother see him with he was little either and chase her out of town! God Bless!
Correction they wouldn’t let Kent mother see him and they chase her out of town after they lie in Family court about her!
Bla Bla Bla…Money Money Money…That is all you think about…Me sound like my father I highly doubt it…Just goes to show that you don’t even know dad at all…Dad is too good for a whore like you…Don’t you have some doctor you should be trying to go to bed with…I admit that I am a Bitch & I am not some one you want on your bad side…Well I have some family pictures to scan…Have a great day! lmao
The police will protect me from you and your devil dad!Your evil just like your dad!God does not Bless You and your dad!
Oh Little Boy Blue are you crying wolf again…Would you like to know my surprise? I am having a huge custom advertisement of my blog made for my car so where ever I go people will see my blog address…You calling me a devil “Isn’t that the Pot calling the Kettle Black!” If I am going to hell I will see you there…There is a spot all set a side for you in the liars section of hell….
As they say, We are what we repeatedly do! By Aristotle Also, Where there is no vision , people perish. Proverbs 29:18 All men should strive to learn to before they die , what they are running from , and why? by Robert Holden, PH.D. the Book Success and the best selling auther Happiness Now. Also, The mind is its own olace, and in itself Can make a heaven of hell, a hell of heaven by John Milton God Bless!
Correction ! The mind is its own place.
What ever “Parrot”…Keep reading those books…Why don’t you go read some books on How to keep a husband, how to be a good mother & How to not be a liar…
Book sellers love you…Do you believe everything you read…They’ll keep feeding you shit as long as you keep buying there books…To bad you don’t know how to think for your self…But you’ll always just sound like a parrot to me…
So you better stop going to your medical doctor as they many years and study those books that you put your trust in their hands at the hospital and doctor offices. Those book help the devil get a hundred thousand dollar a year job!Dr. Phil is doing ok and have a large pay check. The show the doctors must be going on nice vacations in the winters.Education or school and books are good knowledge! Before books the natives elders had to try to remember everything and pass it down to their grandchildrens. Now the Bible is an old book and you and your dad could study that and stop lieing!How about the ten commadments.Also, our laws are in books and writing down for many years old. The lawyers am sure have very nice homes etc. My lawyer Ann was nice to you dad he didn’t have a lawyer and use mine. With that big Irving job and large pay check thats strange that he could afford a lawyer. The devil had to use my lawyer and I find that strange.Now that I have read some law books and try to read up on the law! I will be study this and more I am sure!You have a nice day.I going get all my church friends to put sign on their car and dawnangel and Troy! I may get a bill board with Dancing with the devil Blog! You have a nice day! God Bless! God does love little devils too!
Bla Bla Bla…Like I said all you think of is Money…Those books are sure helping you get a job aren’t they? Where is you big paying job? Reading all those books are not doing a dam bit of good for you…Do you think those doctors & lawyers would be where they are at with out taking a course…No they wouldn’t so unless you are planning to take a course you are wasting your time & your life…The books they use in their courses have to be approved to be used not just any book you see in the stores…You are such a hypocrite calling me a liar…Remember I am the one that said I would take a lie detector test but you don’t seem to want to take one…I wonder why that is maybe because your a liar…Lying come second nature to you…You do it so well…I am too tired to waste any more of my time on you tonight…Goodnight “Parrot”…
Tisha dear or Angery Daughter if I had of got some alimony and half of his Mill pension from Irving job that he had since I was 15 years old , we divorce in 1982. But he for some strange reason used my lawyer and he couldn’t afford one then. His girlfriend Darlene had good job at the hospital. I had no education and I had depression from the lost of my marriage and lost of income and no job.Also, I was abused by your dad for many years and as a child too!I have no problem with the lie detector test. The police will give me one if they think I need it.How could your dad afford so many new cars and houses the and two race horse and a driver to race those horse but he couldn’t afford a lawyer the day of our divorce in 1982.Brian Gibbson was one of the people that witness the devil slapping my face at your grandmother Dorthy’s house while I was doing her hair. The devil said it was because I didn’t leave a note saying where I was! She was there too and saw this!What about my wrist he sprain and I had to go to Saint Joe’s to have it fix! This when I was only 16 or 17.The devil was drunk when he did it! Who would have paid my bills while I was taken a course?I would lose everything if I took the time to go to school. The last time I was there, I was sick with sinusitis and I had to have surgery to help fix this!Why aren’t you not going to school? Yes, alot of women would love to beable to afford to go back to school but their UI insurance doesn’t pay enough!If I hadn’t got sick and hadn’t been going though a brake and divorce then I would have finish my course at CCNB.Also, when you have two kids it’s hard to not pay attention to them and the house work piles up while your studing!Then you get sick on top of it all! I going keep reading and studing at home. Law books are my favourite books!Your sound alot like you dad the devil.Why isn’t talking for himself? Where is your dad? When he left in 1981 he didn’t want to support you and Troy.He didn’t support Kent!The Devil’s mother supported Kent.So I guess he thought my family would support me and my kids!What they need is court TV Like in the USA so people like the devil would have to be fair in their divorce!By the way Tisha, Dancing with the devil is going to be a best selling book! So to help other women and their kids so they don’t end up poor like I was in 1981 and having to move in a stranger boarder in their home!Women need to fight back to be treated fair in Family court.Women need to educate themself in the law! Also, keep a daily journal and write everything down! Protect themself and their children! You have a nice day!God loves Little devils too!
Write you book! Go get theripy for what your dad the devil did to you Tisha! He is your big problem! Have nice 35th birthday! Have a nice day!Remember Danny Grant telling the night of my wedding to go live a my home because you were telling the problems with your dad the devil! The police could ask what you were upset about at the time. This was Aug 17. 1989. If you think I am going forgive the devil your barking up the wrong tree and I am not going to protected him any more! Have nice day and God Bless!
Just to let you know Tisha that Shawn will be there too! You and your devil dad has hurt him and left scars on Shawn as he had to watch Troy hurt me and was afraid all the time after those visits with you devil dad! Your still trying to hurt him by going public on the computer.All of this has broke up his family!You need help so go for theripy!Angery can hurt your health! Have happy 35 th Birthday! God Bless! Keep Our Kids Safe! It will nice to see your son now 18years old!
You hurt Shawn your self. Troy hurt you because you are a liar & made him say things that were not true! You cheated on Terry & he cheated on you. Your the one who likes to make up lies about people. From what I was told by some one that had a kid going to Lakewood heights school Terry & Bitching Bonnie as you call her can’t stand you. They were at the hockey practices all the time together when you were still with Terry.
You also suspected that Terry was sleeping with Faye & Carol.So sorry I can not take the blame for you all being cheaters…
Tisha,If you could only hear yourself and how silly you sound and as far a Terry goes if you have something to say then say it to him as I am not him! I have move on in my life and have someone who cares about me and goes to church. Also, Please do not swear on my blog as it is not excepted , proper or respectable.So Tisha you need Theripy and go get a life and don’t try to live your dad’s. His mother tryed to cover up for years and once she said she couldn’t have young girls at her home because of your dad but I didn’t understand what she was talking about at that time but since Health and Community Services said he sexually abused Troy I believe now! Your cannot protect him anymore it’s in Gods hands now and not yours and God has his plan! God Bless everyone! dawnangel and Troy
Oh & as for me going public on my blog breaking up your your family sorry that is a lie because I didn’t start this blog until after You had already kicked Terry out of the house. I started this blog the day after the phone conversation with you making up these ridiculous lies again! You have no right to ask me not to swear at the disgusting likes of you. Don’t preach God when you stink of sin for all your lies! Don’t lie to me about my dad It is not excepted! If you have some one who cares about you God help him because he is going to need it! I have a father but I do not have a mother. I will see you in court on Nov 24,2008. I will tell you now to keep your distance from my son or my next stop will be the police station to get a restraining order. You are nothing to me or my kids.
Your need big help or theripy , go see a doctor! People feel sorry for me and no wonder!You were beating up kids at school before you left home and you should have had help then but you didn’t receive it! The teachers said in lakewood school you needed help so I took you to see a minster! I was busy with two jobs and struggling to make ends meet and two nights to school trying to get my GED and depression. Takecare and God Bless!
Just one more thing Tisha, Blackmail is a crime and cover up for the Devil is too. To help him get visits and sexually abuse your special needs brother is a crime. And God won’t let you and the devil hurt Troy, and I. God help you Tisha! Please Get some theripy!God Bless!
Me telling the truth about my life is not a blackmail. Asking you to stop being a lying whore is not a blackmail.You being a liar & lying in court is called perjury & is a crime. You lying about my dad & myself is discrimination of character & is a criminal offense.Your the one who needs help. You go get some therapy from preferably some one who is not a quack this time! Rot in hell liar!
I meet you up the police station, you make the appointment and you take lie detector test first and then I take one! Maybe your dad needs to take another lie detector test too!The devil should have been jail when I was the night of my fourteen birthday!Also, when I was still 13teen he was touching my breast and my body parts in the back seat of his car.Your dad is sick feeling up a 13teen year old girl! You were on the computer first saying bad things about the Goff family and I. Some of the people contacted me and told me about it so now I am getting a lawyer and sueing you and your dad damages for lost of education, lost of income and job. Also, for giving me alcohal at age 13 and 14 when I was still in school at Saint Peters School. Alcohal can do brain damage and this can make it hard to learn.Also, for what he did to Troy and Troy beating me up! Lost of injoyment of life!You and your dad are lieing!Shawn had to watch Troy’s violent behavior! God Bless!
Just one more thing Tisha listen to the bad language you using you don’t sound like any daughter of mine!So your the daughter of so so ! And I won’t say who your father is? I feel sorry you having a dad like him no wonder your angery at me!Also, you wouldn’t able to use that kind of bad Language in News Paper!Also, you don’t hear anyone else talking like that on this blog!God Bless!
Oh I suppose you have to be your younger son for swearing to be appropriate…You sons post to me has plenty of swearing to me plus disgusting sexual comments in his post…Where is he learning that from?
His comment is here: https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=6667994955883326006&postID=8952407355481341996
Plus msn calling me a fat virgin slut & they are your words when it was my daughter on the computer:
http://theangrydaughter.blogspot.com/2007/01/what-lovely-thing-for-grand-mother-to.html
Just for the record you can not be a virgin & a slut at the same time!
Lets not forget his post to my youtube site saying he was going to paintball my house:
Your sons comment on my youtube.
http://www.youtube.com/user/theangrydaughter
It is ok for him to swear at me because he is mad because I am telling the truth but you are saying my language is because you are a liar, a mental & physical abuser & let you husband physically abuse me & I have no respect for you what so ever for what you have put me through for 20 years…Just because you are my biological mother or grand mother doesn’t give you the right to be called a mother or a grand mother…You have never acted like a mother or a grand mother…You are a parasite that just will not go away…If you don’t know what a parasite is look it up…Dad has nothing to do with my blog so why would I post his name…I posted my name & that is good enough…Even the most stupid person can figure it out…Oh I forgot you are not dealing with a full deck…You think that love should be bought & manipulated to your own advantage…Sorry not in my lifetime…You can not buy me or manipulate me & that is your whole problem…When are you going to get it I don’t care about you, I don’t need you in our lives, I don’t want you in our lives…You are a parasite!
Tisha, Shawn is 13teen years old and won’t be 14 teen the 7th of Jan.2009, grow up give him a brake.Your are 35 years old but you don’t act your age! God Bless!